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#1 Apr 19, 2015
im looking for kill spells and creatures to put in my mono black deck, I cant remember the list on the top of my head but i will upload the deck later but for creatures I use the standard 1 drops and gatekeeper of malakir and vampire nighthawk, any help would be greatly appreciated
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#2 Apr 19, 2015
Victim of Night is an automatic 3-4 of since it has the widest range of targets, but other than that it'll come down to your local meta. Go for the Throat isn't as good against Affinity/Robots, Doom Blade doesn't hit important things in Abzan like Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Siege Rhino, etc. Some other spells you might like are Geth's Verdict, Murderous Cut, and either Damnation or Mutilate, depending on your budget.
As for creatures, Phyrexian Obliterator, Abyssal Persecutor, Korlash, Heir to Blackblade, and Lashwrithe are all good choices.
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#3 Apr 19, 2015
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Modern
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B GRock/Jund/JunkR W
G RTron
0Affinity0
W G RZoo
#4 Apr 19, 2015
thanks i wish i could use korlash but i find him just too slow with out being able to drop him on turn 2 with dark ritual
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#5 Apr 19, 2015
If your playing somewhere without much affinity Go for the Throat is the best. Even gets around stupid spellskite protection against infect and such
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#6 Apr 19, 2015
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Modern
U B Tezzerator
U B W Gifts
B 8Rack
Legacy
R B Goblins
#7 Apr 20, 2015
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Modern
G B Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
R U G Delver Midrange
W U Monks
U W Tempo Geist
G W Bogle
G W Liege
U R Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
G B W Ghave
B R U Thrax
G R Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
#8 Apr 20, 2015
Unmake might occasionally be useful against recursive or indestructible threats (although -x/-x type effects are probably better against indestructible most of the time for CMC reasons). I've also seen Guul Draz Assassin used to surprisingly decent effect as a mana sink or removal bait.
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#9 Apr 21, 2015
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Modern: BW EldraziHatebears, UW Giftstron, BW Tokens,
Legacy: Dark Depths, Pox, Eldrazi Agro
Vintage: Dark Depths, Grey Orge
Pauper: Faerie Ninja
7pt Highlander: BW Combo
EDH: Horobi, (t)Toshiro, (t)Isamaru
#10 Apr 22, 2015
Um... How competitive is this supposed to be? Just for funsies, FNM, or better? Because it's really difficult to get Modern mono-black to be better than squeaking out a lucky win at FNM, and then only if your meta is marshmallow soft.
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#11 Apr 22, 2015
I don't see how this is helping this thread or his question at all. Of all places to be question a decks competitive worth you are choosing to do it in the budget sub-forum? Really? Next time either contribute to the discussion or don't bother commenting at all.
Anyway, I don't think Sudden Death has been mentioned yet. The Split Second and ability to kill 4 toughness creatures makes it really good against Splinter Twin combo decks.
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#12 Apr 22, 2015
This isn't the budget subforum. If it were, it wouldn't be a question.
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Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
#13 Apr 22, 2015
Victim of Night
Gatekeeper of Malakir
Liliana of the Veil
Slaughter Pact
with a nod to Sudden Death for being able to reliably kill twin, resto angel and celestial colonnade (which is fairly relevant in my meta)
I have also started sideboarding in Minister of Pain against affinity and various token decks where gatekeeper is less stellar. And since affinity hasn't shown up lately i'm probably going to add a number of Go for the Throat's
It's important to note that i'm running a more midrangey deck where the body and devotion to black matter, so take it with a grain of salt.
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#14 Apr 22, 2015
Ha. That is kinda funny actually. I was doing so much browsing in the budget forum I completely assumed this was in budget too. Well then my apologies in that regard, but the point still stands calling someone's deck bad without giving any constructive input is unnecessary.
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#15 Apr 26, 2015
sorry it took me so long, but my computer has been on the fritz but anywho heres the deck i got right now
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#16 Apr 26, 2015
im prob gonna get ride of the lotus bloom and tormented hero for 2 murderous cuts and 4 bile blights
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#17 Apr 27, 2015
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#19 Apr 28, 2015
criticism and help is what im looking for and this is for competitive play at the store that i play at because we do modern fnm on the first friday of every month
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#21 Apr 28, 2015
thanks for the suggestions im going to rework the deck before friday, the funny thing is ( and i really wish i had taken a picture of the cards in the deck) that I won the last modern fnm with taking my aggro standard mono black deck and adding in the geths verdict, terrors, gatekeepers, and nighthawks
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#25 Jun 9, 2015
My metagame slayer; for when I know a tournament will be mostly Twin, Delver, Infect, Affinity and BGx.
Very clean cut, high consistency, no nonsense black beats.
Hope not to get paired with Tron, Bloom or Burn and you'll take the event.
If you do get paired with these know that Burn can still be beat thanks to Nighthawk and the high concentration of discard, same for Bloom, if they don't goldfish we win, if they do we lose.
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#26 Jun 10, 2015
Hey there, I must confess I don't play Modern at the moment but I'm always watching coverage and reading articles as well as poking around the Modern forums here so I feel that I have a have a lot of interest and a little familiarity with the format. Getting that important information out of the way, I'm not sure how competitive mono-black can be but this deck looks sweet. I'd rather not play Abyssal Persecutor because Desecration Demon's downside seems a lot more marginal and Phyrexian Obliterator is also more appealing in the four slot, do you think either has a place here? With no delve cards or mana sources that aren't black the fetches also don't look necessary.
I like the idea of Death's Shadow as a sideboard plan against Burn that can feasibly race them. Don't know how realistic it is though. Again, don't actually play Modern (yet!) aside from a borrowed deck here and there, but I do hope to get into the format at some point.
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#27 Jun 10, 2015
Mono-Black is not tournament-viable but it's one of the best anti-meta options because it can comfortably mainboard three of the things that most hurt current T1 decks other than Burn: Discard, Removal and Draw Engines.
Where Black falters is in it's bombs, which all stand to hurt you more or at least as much as they hurt your opponent. And in the frailty of it's most powerful creatures, most of which die to Lightning Bolt, the most played card in the format.
On to your other questions, well:
-Desecration Demon if it's drawback was exclusive to your attack step it would be ok, it would at least be a blocker. But in a format with Lingering Souls, it is completely and utterly useless. That's why it wasn't played in ISD-RTR standard, he's extremely unreliable and almost always a dead card.
-Phyrexian Obliterator is a very powerful card, if it gets blocked you still get a benefit. It's clock is a turn slower than Abyssal Persecutor's and his price is ten times higher though, so you may want to test the demon in the meanwhile.
-Abyssal Persecutor is often dismissed because people see "you can't win the game" and ignore "6/6 Flying+Trample for 2 B B, I dodge 3 of the top 5 removal spells of the format". It's a three turn clock in a deck packed with 16 kill spells that get rid of him the second your opponent's life hit 0.
-Fetchlands, yes, you don't need to look for anything in particular and yes fetching for swamps increase your chances of Bob revealing spells. But deck thinning, while not entirely necessary, is still very wanted in a deck like this because Jund and Junk have better card quality, which we beat by having the best draw engine and making sure he give us two spells a turn while they're drawing land. It at least brings us to a probability parity because they do run fetchlands to color fix and thus reduce their chances of drawing lands.
-Death's Shadow, just no dude. That's a trap, like cupcake under a box level tier of trap. You feel like a 10/10 will win against Burn the turn after you play it, but for that you forget that 3 life is where Burn wants you the most. It means all they need do is draw one of 26 different cards in their deck and you lose while your creature deals with summoning sickness.
A much better sideboard tech vs Burn in Mono-Black is sideboarding Syphon Life and Duress swapping Thoughtseize. They can't deal with the opponent potentially gaining life every turn, specially not if you discard their Skullcracks and Atarka's Commands.
Besides Pack Rat is a much better wall than Death's Shadow and races as fast without putting you in critical risk of losing. Either they bolt it while there's only one, wasting a turn, or their creatures stand to be made irrelevant very soon with a 20 damage swing coming soon after. Creating more rats also dodges Eidolon of the Great Revel's damage, playing the Shadow doesn't.
Mono-Black is potentially very fun if you like the colors and has the capability to win against some of the Tier 1 decks, specially those that win on the back of a single creature like Twin and Infect, or those that are very dependant on specific cards like Affinity with Cranial Plating/Etched Champion or WB Tokens with Intangible Virtue/Sorin, Solemn Visitor.
It can defeat the big boogeymen Jund and Junk with a little bit of luck, and while it suffers greatly vs decks that are heavy on non-creature Artifacts and Enchantments like Tron, Bloom and Auras, it's still a nice starting point into Modern, just have in mind that it's in your best interest to go BW and eventually BGx in the future since they give you better cards for a similar Mid-Range beats strategy.
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#28 Jun 10, 2015
I am heavily biased, but I think Mono black can be decent, or at least Bx, in the form of devotion. Take at my sig for the Bx Devotion primer. Its a fun deck, that has plenty of game for the field. It's kinda expensive to get results thought as Liliana is a must.
As for Mono Black creatures and spells you have several good ones.
And I'm sure I'm forgetting some of blacks best cards. It's a deep color.
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